Gray rhinos in government
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Steven Kelman discusses known-but-neglected risks on Washington Technology's Project 38 podcast.
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Nick Wakeman, the editor of Washington Technology, spoke with me to learn more about black swans and gray rhinos. In his podcast, he explored my views, which I blogged about in January.
Though the phrase "black swan" is better known, I think gray rhinos -- the problems everyone knows are there but we refuse to deal with -- are much more of a problem in government. You can listen to the full podcast below.